Physics of Astrology

Perturbations of the Planets on Each Others Orbits, prima face, proves that the gravity of the other plants do in fact move matter here, atom by atom, and therefore, the London Dispersion Effect, would be reflecting this slow bend in the matter, causing, due to the planets, contact points to fire, causing thought, and remember that the east point, the rising point, is fast, and it's all coming sweeping in from there perceptually and mainly as a wave mass conduit.. zodiac sign, whatever light rays and other rays it is sending, combined with planets, movers, gravity that is enough to move earth, and this is the physics of astrology.

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The 59-60 Year Repeating Planetary Cycle

The planets, Saturn, Jupiter etc., move through the constellations which form the Zodiac in the sky at different rates. Saturn traverses one sign every two and a half years, whereas Jupiter moves through about one sign per year. The Sun moves through one sign per month, etc. Saturn ends up back around at the same place in the 12 signs of the zodiac about every 29 years. However, because the planets move at different rates, they don't always line up the same. There is however a 60 year cycle which deserves mention. 

Every 60 years roughly, most of the planets end up in the same relationship with each other as they shared 60 years earlier. That is, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, the Sun, Venus and Mercury will all be in the same signs of the Zodiac that there were in roughly 60 years earlier in history.

Here is a list of the signs that they planets are currently located in. Notice that the planets move at different rates. For brevity, the list below excludes the Moon, Neptune, Uranus and Pluto. A line is created in the list each time one of the listed planets changes positions. The numbers under the headings indicate the number of the Zodiac Sign the planet currently occupies. The numbers are 1 through 12 indicating the signs starting with Aries and ending with Pisces. Notice that Saturn, which moves slowly, remains in 11-Aquarius, throughout the duration of the period listed. (All Sidereal).

If we take a list such as the one above that spans a couple centuries and sort is according to positions rather than date, we can easily see on which dates the planets repeated their earlier patterns. Such a "position sorted list" sample is shown below.

Look at the examples in bold text. Note that the planetary positions are the same, and then note the dates involved. Notice that the dates are roughly 60 years apart when the planets are "back around to where they were". 

The conclusion is that the same basic planetary arrangements appear over and over every 60 years. When you take a given set of planetary positions and write them down on paper in a circle representing the heavens, you essentially have a "Horoscope". There are readings for the basic positions of the planets in signs given in the ancient books. Furthermore, we can begin to understand the cosignifications of the planets simply by studying patterns of actual events in history.

Examine the dates and planetary positions shown in the examples below, then consider the similarity in the historical occurrences of the decades indicated: 

In the 1910's and 1970's there were similar situations. Troubled by economic problems, yet experiencing a growth in areas of innovation, trying to adjust to recent liberalization's in society. Saturn's restrictive nature has a chilling effect on Jupiter's expansive nature which cause recessions and political turmoil. In 1910 as '70, Saturn was directly "aspecting" Jupiter, which means that it was 6 signs away from it, which pits it directly across from Jupiter in the Zodiac consisting of 12 signs.

In the 20's as the 80's, things were booming economically. People were liberal and perversity was spreading. The old codes of moral ways were being abandoned by many people. Instead, a feeling of moral freedom and attraction to material wealth and pleasures were the order of the day. In the 20's we saw the decline of the traditional family and the spread of "night life" and economic growth. The same things occurred in the 80's. We had a dangerous leap in economic growth, as well as a deep entrenching of anti-religious sentiment, followed by a reactionary gathering of the Christian Right. Even our hero "Batman" has premarital sex on his first date. We see what was once irreligious as totally normal.

Now examine the early 30's and the early 90's. Homelessness, recession, a bounce back from the previous boom-time decade; Homeless families, created supposedly by the credit-crazy eighties. The depression of the 30's seemed worse by comparison, but perhaps it's just because the 90's version is more subtle, and harder to see in photographs; also it may not always be America.

Again, hard times economically are connected to the opposition of Saturn and Jupiter and that better times have something to do with Saturn leaving Jupiter alone. Notice that in the 30's and 90's as shown above we see Saturn and Jupiter again opposing each other, 6 signs apart. This is a standard principles when reading a Horoscope using the Vedic readings where Saturn is considered to be capable of taking some of Jupiter’s normal monetary benevolence and protection.

Consider these two periods and how they share planetary positions:

Saturn is strong being in it's own sign, and Jupiter is in an enemy sign, thus weakening it's benevolence. Sun is weakened also, Venus feels OK but is with the "dark lord", and changeable Mercury is also with the dark lord. Conclusion, the King of planets (Sun) and the Chief advisor of the planets (Jupiter) are ill, and thus the dark lord (Saturn) is out of control. When the "good" planets such as the Sun and Jupiter are weakened by positions in signs ruled by unlike planets (as they now are) and evil causing planets such as Saturn are strong (as it now is), you have problems on Earth of a serious nature. Consider: In 1935 Hitler was rising in Power, and Germany was building. In 1994 we have Nationalist voices again rising to power in Europe, and countries there in a mood of "lets rebuild and get strong again" Similar and perhaps more serious patterns are going on in Islamic countries. It's a very similar scenario. The headlines in the Eugene Oregon Register Guard newspaper yesterday said "Clinton warns against Nationalism".

Now, for the worst part. The planets continue to follow their 60 year patterns quite unfailingly. Therefore, you should not be surprised to see the dates and positions listed below, but hopefully you're a little scared by it: 

We see that the planetary situations in the 1940's will be repeated (by some of the planets) a mere six years from now. That's time enough for arsenals to be built and countries invaded. Will we be involved in large scale wars as we were back then?

Above we see that Saturn and Jupiter are in the sign called "Aries". This is, according to classical texts, the "sign of Saturn's fall". That means that Saturn causes it's worst havoc during the two and a half years it transits that sign. Certainly, the early '40's were horrible. There was general terror the world over. The next time Saturn was "in fall" was in 1969/70, but it never "conjoined" Jupiter as it did in the early 40's, and will in the late 90's. When Jupiter conjoins Saturn in Aries, bad things take place. There is a prominence in political atrocities, and severe cruelty.

Next, lets examine some of the actual readings from the Ancient Vedic texts that speak out about the nature of the situation caused by the presence of Saturn and Jupiter in Aries.

Most of the readings that will be quoted below are worded as if speaking about the life of one individual. In order to understand their application to world societies in general, simply think of humankind as the person being referred to. These quotes are taken from various ancient Hindu astrological texts such as Chamatkar Chintamani, Saravali, Nadi Grantas and others.

Jupiter will be traveling across the "Aswini" and "Bharani" constellations (in the first part of the sign Aries) during 1999 and 2000 as it was during 1939 and 1940. The following are readings for this situation. Think of Hitler as you read these, as well as those times in general (the early 1940's), and what the world was undergoing. These are the positive readings for those times, if they could be called that. After these, we'll examine the negative effect Saturn had (and will have later this decade) on the situation.

"The native successfully achieves intellectual and material growth as fixed aim of life through friends and others. Gain through speculation, patrimony, children and partner. Name and fame through religious links and even enemies. Peaceful and much traveling; great authority. Highly learned in religious, spiritual and philosophical field. He has a magnet in his tongue i.e. has the capacity to attract the crowd with his sweet speech. He will attain fame after 35 years of age. Magnificent personality. Honest. Good position to become an author or writer. Earns respect, love and affection from others. But always in debt. Achieves intellectual and material growth. Much learned. Jupiter in this position confers much fame. He becomes 'Raja-adhi- Raja' (King of Kings). But the life span is only 16 years. This is the native who enjoys the life in it's full swing. He enjoys much fame and acquires wealth. There will be many persons working under him. He will also have good duty bound children. A good speaker. He will love his fatherland very much. Others will respect and adore him like a god. He may be an expert criminal yet religious. He will travel extensively in far-off places. On several times he escapes accidents miraculously. He can come out successful in any of the competitive examinations. He will be cunning and will exploit others."

Next, let us examine the readings that apply to Saturn joining Jupiter in Saturn's worst position, or it's "sign of fall".

"Jupiter in Aries afflicted by Saturn grants greed, ugliness, fame, chivalry, political leaders, good at manufacturing things, bereft of comforts from family, cruelty, gives negative advise to others. The native is industrious, firm, ambitious, rational, short tempered, trouble from partners. During early life, he is perverted, inert, tricky, jealous cruel, vocal, poor, ugly, anti-social and vicious. But, the native attains a very high position in the government and earns ample wealth. Lacks clear common sense, is rational and short tempered, anti-social, clever in business and travels extensively, has  subordinates, ambitious. Jupiter's contribution lends high placement in the political circle and wealth, vehicles, houses and servants. He will be interested in the research of religious matters or books. He acquires considerable wealth on account of this research. He is intelligent and earns respect and honor from well known persons. Scar in the head due to injury. Severe headache. Boils, insomnia and high fever. A dependent on others. The native's own father or mother may die during his childhood or desert him. He later on enters some military or police service."

Again, although they may sound like it, these are not readings for Adolph Hitler's own horoscope. Instead, they apply to the times during which his power was at full swing, and also to the times that lie a few years ahead of us. The references above to interest and religion can be taken various ways. The churches did see (will see) resurgence in faith, because people were being terrorized. Also, Hitler himself was interested in studying religion, and sent his people all over in pursuit of relics, ancient books, and so on.

These readings may not say, "nationalism and war" outright, but since it was these planetary situations that were in control the last time around, we can rely on them to cause a similar situation again this time. Right now in the sky the planets are sitting just the way they were in the late thirties as Nazi-ism was spreading in Germany and Europe. We see that the same thing is happening now again. In different forms we see that Nationalism is gaining ground. (Jihad, Islamic Nationalism rising against Jewish State and American Imperialism).

Okay, I’ve definitely introduced this cycle, unless you really weren’t listening. 

Onwards now. 

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Vedic Astrologers using Tropical Zodiac

Question: What are you thoughts on some Vedic Astrologers using Tropical zodiacs as their way practicing Vedic Astrology? 

Das Goravani: I checked years and years ago.. in my program.. you can mark 'no ayanamsa' which gives you the tropical zodiac, but you’re still in my program, all features on. (see images below) I did my chart, and let it run the readings.  Then, I read them over, and found, as much, even more, accuracy against my true life than the sidereal. 

I still use Sidereal. I have never switched. 

But I did notice this fact above one day.. and it swayed my mind. Then talked to the author of "Dots of Destiny", we used to write a lot to each other, in like 94 forward for a few years.. Nandan Chirmulay.. he said "Patterns are patterns, it’s going to work".  Hmm, that’s a direct way of seeing it. 

I find that Western Astrologers get much correct, when they talk about one’s chart, also. 

SO, my conclusion is this, this is how my mind has held it all these years:

Sidereal Zodiac, being fixed on Fixed Stars.. represents the unchangeable reality, the karma that comes from outside our system.. from God; Definite Real Bodily and Mind.

Tropical Zodiac represents the Human Conception of what is happening to Him the Human. It is Earth Based, and thus is based alike to Our Vision From Here. 

Lastly, of the three main parts of a chart, planets, signs and houses, it is signs that is the Weakest or Least Important.  In the signs, we see, that the two systems share 6 degrees still.. and the two systems leave the planets in the same houses.  So, two are shared, and one is 1/5th likeness. So, there is a lot a like.. between the two ways, sidereal vs tropical, within an otherwise vedic approach. 

Sidereal is twelfth by 24 degrees, to Tropical.  The Twelfth House always represents, one of it’s significations, is the "Inner Alone Self Space".. like.. "Bed Pleasures".. that’s an inner alone representation of 12th to the Lagna.  So all of this "Twelfth-ing" that Sidereal does against Tropical, shows, that Sidereal is in a sense the "Inner" nature of Tropical, by 24 degree, or nearly all.. 

So, Sidereal, is going to seem, to someone used to Tropical, to be, somewhat like that.. their Inner World, but not the reality, whereas Tropical will seem to many to be the opposite of that.. More Externally Real.. than that "other way" (sidereal).

But that view is opposite the "Stars vs Earth" way of saying it.  I think this comes down to "Who is more Fixed Air" than "Other".  Aquarius Energy, the transformational fixed air component of nature, is odd.. it’s fixed air, but it’s transformational.. that points to:  It is of God, for it is Fixed, beyong this plane, yet it transforms us here.  So, that is possible only when it is holding some higher knowledge that causes transformation here without it being a sign that moves. 

Those who are touched by Aquarius, may forever relate better to Sideral type of thinking, as I do, with moon in Aquarius.  Also, simply, those who are more of God than Human, they will be always more attracted to things fixed in the "beyond our scope realm".  

Whereas, those with aversion to thinking that way, will always choose that which is "ours".  

I found, both are effectual, but in two different ways. One is higher, beyond, the other is local, ours, recalculates constantly, is moving, is based on the perception of Equinoxes here on Earth, where we ignore the tilt and don’t realize it’s slipped.  

To them, God is like Sidereal, it’s slipping backwards.   Backwards!  Or, in other words, non progressive, dumb, old, stuck. 

To Siderealist’s, the tropical way of thinking is Cavalier, tenacious, ostentatious, grabbing, un holy, un pious.. etc.. 

Two ways of being, As Always.. Duality. 

I do not raise an eyebrow of negativity towards those who do it this way or that way.  I used to be a "Vedic Fanatic" with a loud voice about it.. but then I realized I would be standing alone with a few like fanatics on an island because most people are malleable in their views of things way beyond their control.  

I want to say, lastly, that Nakshatra readings won’t work with the tropical zodiac, but fact is, they do !  Odd, very odd, but I found it in my chart true.  Only there, Only there, did I look at this issue.. my chart.. I cannot say I did extensive study. Still, that the Nakshatra readings in my program worked for me well against my real life when using Tropical Zodiac within my program, was a surprise, but I will not deny what I saw to remain towing a Sideral or Vedic line. I speak what I saw.  

So there you are my friend.  Note, Graphic depicting how the equinoxes precess causing the two zodiacs is pasted below as a JPG.

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