Outter Planets and Jyotish

Hello Everyone,

I am very busy these days and not able to read the posts. Sorry. I did notice that the outer planets were being discussed with some passion.

I just want to say that for those of us who have received the Vedas from our Predecessor Guru's in the Noble Original Way hold them in the original way, to this day, and this means that for us, these matters are solved in the pages themselves rather easily.

I just want to inject into the disucussion the beauty of surrender to the scriptures themselves. All such questions become so beautifully answered as to leave one with peace and satisfaction. At least in this way it has it's compelling draw upon our open minds.

For us, who know that Parasara lived, and that his son Vyas was the father of Pandu, and that the Gods were the fathers of the Pandavas, and that the Gita was spoken, the Bhagavatam written, as they themselves say they were.

The scriptures unanimously agree that the original complete knowledge was imparted unto Lord Brahma from Vishnu, Brahma being Aja, the unborn, because he appeared on the Lotus from the Naval of Vishnu. Brahma created the worlds from the power and instructions of Vishnu, and the Vedic knowledge began then, and has been transmitted down through time. History has added to the original now, creating the Puranas, and many other allied and necessary scriptures appeared. With a real Guru one learns all these things in a firm and committed way, with faith.

Therefore, the system of Universal Oneness built into the Universe by Lord Brahma under Vishnu, which involves and includes the fact that the external ball forms of certain demigods would conincide with the unfolding of predetermined events on Earth is a creation of God, and has always existed. The knowledge of this has been Brahma's from day one of his awareness granted by God, and has been passed down since then, just as scripture says.

No man could ever invent or realize this much great truth with human eyes and cognition. The seed of this knowledge has always existed, just as scripture says.

Regarding the outer planets, of course they were known, because the creator knows what he created. The Sages will know if the higher Gandharvas and Higher Gods tell them about them, otherwise they will not know about them.

Why would the Vedic Gods and Powers that Be ignore our beloved Uranus, Neptune, Pluto and Chiron?

I cannot be sure. But I am trained in Vedic thought by the best of the best, so give my opinion a consideration:

In Vedic literatures, the authors and speakers are Gods, Demigods, and Sages generally, or at least persons of high order back in Vedic times. The scriptures are mostly spotless and awesome expressions of the potential for real human greatness and dharma.

But there is a custom or culture to the speaking, which is "Vedic Style Etiquette". Often the enemy is pointed out in discussion in a sideways manor. There is a certain style to how they thought and referrenced adversaries or opponents. One of the chief ways is to humiliate by ignoring the greatness of...

I have noticed that minor demons are tended to be ignored in Vedic scriptures. I think that our forefathers in Vedic times, chose to ignore the outer planets because of a few reasons: Their effects are weaker, and that they are purely malefic in nature according to our good Gurus and Guardians.

One of the cardinal rules of Orthodox Vaisnava Hinduism which I was taught is simply that you do not change the scriptures, ever. Not only that, but you always try to "transparently" represent what has come through scripture and spoken from parental disciplic leaders in previous ages.

Therefore, when it comes to this point of using or not using the outer planets, it is in my heart this way: Since our good forefathers chose to not use them, we feel that there is meaning in this omission, and in honor of them we follow their lead without question. We assume their decision is good for us. Just because we can discover, track, tabulate effects, etc., for them, does not mean we should.

Feeling in this heart way, is the way of the Vaisnava. It is humble and simplistic, but very much in line with the mood you will find being taught by the example of the great devotees in the Ramayana, Gita, Bhagavat, etc.

I repeat, there is no question of the outer planets being "unknown" to the source persons of Jyotish because the source person is God, and Brahma, who is like God to us, being the creator of this whole creation.

This is the real original "Hindu" view. This is expected from the students of Jyotish, according to Sage Parasara and every other normal real "Hindu", according to any reading of the original books, AS THEY ARE, in their original wording.

Thanks so much if you actually read this far. In any case, peace to you. In any case, may you be successful in remembering your Dharma,

Humbly

Das Goravani